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Inconvenient Security Precautions & Devices

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Inconvenient Security Precautions & Devices

Postby John_C » Sat May 08, 2004 7:30 pm

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There must be hundreds of camping security devises out there that each of us don’t even know about and some of us may have some very simple but effective ways & ideas that we could share with each other.

I think we all agree that most, if not all of us would not want our vans back if stolen, that of coarse assumes we are all covered by insurance! The thing is, none of us want the van stolen in the first place as we will loose, apart from the van, all our personal valuables and on top of that have the hassle of getting a insurance payout, also we have to repurchase all the equipment etc...This could stop us caravanning for months!

So since this is unacceptable inconvenience to us, lets see how inconvenient we can make it for the thief to steel it in the first place.

Why don't we (us club members) start to list all the possible ways / ideas known to us that will make our vans less attractive to the thief !

Maybe we could get one of the Administrators of this forum to collect them up from our posts and put them onto one page for any new members to read. It would need to be a list of ways/ideas/info that improves the inconvenience of steeling a caravan!, not a list of our criticisms, likes or dislikes of each precaution that anybody has suggested. I think any security precaution taken, no matter how small will help to achieve a higher level of inconvenience the thief.


As this could grow into a rather long list over the months to come, I have started it as a new Topic


So now for the list:-

1. The wheel clamp I use is a clamp and wheel jack all in one, by jacking it a little as well as clamping the wheel it becomes far more inconvenient.

2. The hitch lock I use is a ROBSTOP WS 3000 which can be used while towing, I use an old towing hook ball to fill the hitch joint with as the supplied robstop ball is made of plastic! Could be drilled out!

3. I have a large steel bar/bolt (about 12" long) which I push through a hole in one wheel and this is held in place by a high-grade padlock. If the van was towed it would rip the van to bits. The wheel nuts are protected by the wheel clamp. You could use a bar that go's though both wheel's.

4. My van is electronically tagged and also some of its contents and fixtures, there are many labels stating this affixed to the van. Thus the thief knows the van would not sell for as much money. Also a greater chance of him getting caught. I have also put identifying micro dots on most of our personal things. This marking is now registered with Stoptheft (Trovan)

5. Our drive is 90ft long and only 10ft wide so we park both of our alarmed cars behind our caravan. The thief must move them first.

6. As we have an electric caravan mover fitted we are able to park the van with its towing hook in the driveway first, so it would have to be pulled out backwards. The remote control to the mover is not kept with the van and the mover on switch is well hidden inside the van.

7. We have a dog.

8. Our drive is covered with noisy pebbles, we and the dog can hear any movement outside, they also make it almost impossible to push the van.

9. We do plug the mains lead into our van so's to get the fridge working and the battery charged but generally the power is switched off from inside our house, don’t want them to use our electricity when trying to cut into our wheel clamp etc!

10. There are two heavy duty lockable metal bulldog posts concreted into our drive, one directly behind the van and the other directly behind our two cars.

11. There is a label on the first post telling the would be thief that remote alarms will be triggerd if the posts are tampered with!

Yes I know it could still be stolen, but its quite inconvenient for him, so he may just go for somebody else's and leave mine alone! What ideas have you got? :?: :?: :?: :?:
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Postby nogin » Sun May 09, 2004 7:24 pm

Hi john &sylvia most of the things that you have done i have also done . the only other one i am working on is putting the van on my house alarm. But as you say make it hard for them and they move on . Tony 700smf notts. : : :idea: :
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Postby John_C » Mon May 10, 2004 8:38 am

Hi nogin
Yes that's a good idea, is it one of them wire less types? That could be quick and easy to do but if your in the house with the alarm off can you keep part of it switched on in the Van?

We are also going to get a Caravan Cover for ours, out of site and its out of mind...

On this point I have a friend who has built a fake extension on the front and side of his house so that the van and his cars cant be seen. It looks just like an extra ground floor room with a window and it even has curtains. This really is nothing more than a large gate and swings completely away to one side when they wish to drive out....They call the house "Thunderbirds" Bird is also his surname too! :wink:

Wonder what will result if the planning office spot it? :P :?
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well i never dam good show!

Postby nogin » Mon May 10, 2004 9:51 pm

Hi again thats agood one ps the alarm is hard wired but on a zone alone so it can be on all the time it also has tampers on the lines all the best . nogin :wink:
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weve no chance

Postby les m » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:42 am

heard about a guy who came home unexpectedly to find the "toe-rags" with a low loader that had an attached crane (like the one"s plod move illigal cars with) with two canvas straps under the caravan and lifting it out, over the fence of his garden,wheel clamps, hitch-locks and all.
what chance have you ???
"appy "vanin (if poss!!)
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Postby Omega » Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:22 pm

John_C you seem to have covered most options to prevent or should we say slow down theft. A few more to add to your list.....

Rewire the connector on the car and van to use the earth connection as a + providing you change both car and van will be ok but a different car connecting to your van would have its fuses blown.

Remove the numberplate

Fit padlocks to each leg to lock them down

For long storage remove wheels and hitch

Sure there must be more, like your bolt through the wheel, simple and as good as a wheel clamp
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Postby Omega » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:52 am

Leg locks and mule are available from elm services worth a look at their site.
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Postby Garry » Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:27 pm

Whats elm services site Omega?
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Postby Omega » Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:15 pm

http://www.elm-services.co.uk/store/

then top left products

worth a look at all the caravan / camping products
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Postby cmem » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:08 pm

Hi everyone,

We own a hobby 560 prestige (UF) and tow with an Ex police paddy wagon at GVW 3500KG. Security is a worry, our baby is sited on a secure? storage site however we have several devices fitted. Our most recent aquisition is a Jokon-Lock a very simple yet effective device which replaces the blue plastic ball that fits into the tow hitch when not in use. This device can be expanded into the hitch and the locked using a bolt type mechanism like the one fitted to a wheel clamp. Simple yet effective.
I urge you to try one. We bought ours from towsure in Sheffield for the reasonable price of £12.

But, should a 'Toe-rag' take a shine to your van, it will proberbly go anyway.
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Postby wigelywoo » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:26 pm

If you can, remove fuses for road lights. Most vans are taken at night so with no rear lights it would be an attraction to the polce.
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Postby John_C » Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:33 am

Hi Wigelywoo,

You have made me remember. Once we met a Caravanner who had hidden a switch unit inside the boot of his caravan which disabled all the electrics coming from the car and grounded all positive wires coming from the car.

A great idea but dont forget to switch over before you plug your own car in!
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Postby Chubbs » Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:57 pm

Didn't somebody also tell us about a friend who deliberately cross-wired his car too to match the cross wired caravan? That way he was always OK but anyone else who hitched up would blow his electrics with short-circuits!!

A few problems there perhaps.

Any bets, with the way our society is going, you would be held liable in court for damage to other peoples property??
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Postby belljul » Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:09 pm

I liked the guy suggesting writing the van chassis number on everything inside that van (wooden tops of seats, underneath every cushion, inside every door etc) with a permanent marker pen.

Also - take off number plate and write "STOLEN - CALL POLICE" underneath in marker pen. Then stick your number plate back on top with a bunch of velcro pads/strips (a few quid from Woolies). Remove plate when parked outside your house/long term storage.

Liked the "remove fuses". Quick, non-permanent and effective - esp if stolen at night.

Or the other one that I saw on another post but not on this thread - your postcode on the roof - get a signwriter to do this for you for £20 or so...
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Postby nigel129 » Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:15 am

[quote="wigelywoo"]If you can, remove fuses for road lights. Most vans are taken at night so with no rear lights it would be an attraction to the polce.[/quote]

Where are the fuses, do you mean the 3 in the white box in the wardrobe???
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